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hello - who's our Personal Officer - we have Spazz formerly of DHO6 lookking for a Clan Invite; it might of slipped through the cracks, can someone please sent him an invite

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cant change channels on TS where is sly lol

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Ignoring you as always. Hi Juggz!

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is he really a juggalo?

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Welcome to the forums DadForHire :)

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Welcome!

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We've already platooned with SteelNinja; great guy, great player, and between me, Yahmann and Steelninja I got a 75 per cent win rate on the night. thx for the awesome toon Steel.

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SteelNinja, majburnett is in DHO-X not DHO4.

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Jealous Finnegan, but glad to hear it!

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Seriously!

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GoT marathon on HBO starts tonight. Beginning with Episode 1. :-)... I may have to take a small breather from my grind in WoT.

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Welcome to the forums 0ntarg3t :)

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Posted 04 November 2015 - 01:46 PM

I think I am in the bungie clan but I honestly don't even know. I don't think DHO shows on my gamer tag.

If you do not have the tag in your name. You are not in the dho destiny clan.

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Posted 04 November 2015 - 01:52 PM

If you do not have the tag in your name. You are not in the dho destiny clan.

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I thought I had.  I get all those chat updates on the ap.  I just looked on the website and it looks like I am not in a clan. 

 

I sent a request.


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 01:54 PM

I was in full agreement with you Ruiner until you said the following:

...If we see a big recruiting effort, like how a few guys do for us on the WoT forums, then that could be grounds for a Mod promotion here.  They have a similar set up there form what i understand and it works to some degree as evident by our large WoT population...

And even then I'm still in 99% agreement, but it made me have a thought

 

I'm not familiar with our WOT practices/policies at all... save one: dads have to post an introduction on here before the can get into any DHO WOT clan. So while I do think that we need to push everyone over to this site, and not use the Bungie site for anything (except for recruiting and getting the DHO tag under your name) maybe we do need to follow the same guidelines we already have set up for WOT. And if people are willing to take up that mantle of verification...

 

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Posted 04 November 2015 - 02:17 PM

I remembered I was an admin for awhile.. My issue is I need to use my phone to access the site or remember when I get home..

I can't acesss it at work so I can't approve new members.. Half the time I forget to post on Facebook and I Am one of the moderators!!
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Posted 04 November 2015 - 02:36 PM

I was in full agreement with you Ruiner until you said the following:
And even then I'm still in 99% agreement, but it made me have a thought
 
I'm not familiar with our WOT practices/policies at all... save one: dads have to post an introduction on here before the can get into any DHO WOT clan. So while I do think that we need to push everyone over to this site, and not use the Bungie site for anything (except for recruiting and getting the DHO tag under your name) maybe we do need to follow the same guidelines we already have set up for WOT. And if people are willing to take up that mantle of verification...
 
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I actually like this idea and would be glad to administer it.

Sure the DHO next to your name doesn't do much, but it does represent to me "membership" of DHO, which means you should have done an intro post and then requested addition to the Bungie Clan.

I think we should treat the clan stuff like eventually it will actually do something and we'll want it to be a bit more controlled, in which case we should treat it that way now.

I agree we should try and funnel people here vs the forums there, but I think they are way more likely to do that if they have already come here and posted a few times to get approved.
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Posted 04 November 2015 - 05:33 PM

If you do not have the tag in your name. You are not in the dho destiny clan.

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So again, this is due to Bungie's infinitie wisdom and how they set up the group/clan thing.  You can join multple groups, and that is why we have so many members on Bungie who might not be active here.  Anyone can join our group; approval is required to join the clan. However, you can only represent one group as your clan (have their name on your banner) at a time, and you have to manually set that up, even if you are only in one group.  Joey made a thread on how to do that below, but we lost the screenshots in the merge.  I can try to update it later:

http://dadshideout.c...n-name-in-game/

 

And this just goes to show that we even have active DHO members who think they are part of the clan, but actually aren't because of the awful system there.

 

So what I'm hearing in replies is:

 

1. Someone could make us look bad - True, but this is the case with any of our clans in any game.  In fact I'm sure we have several instances of dad members having "bad nights" and probably not making the best of decisions. It's never been an issue before and the liklihood of the clan/site getting blowback from it as opposed to the actual player is pretty non-existant.

 

2. We want a smaller, tight-knit group - I agree, however this can be counter-productive to how Destiny works in needing 5 other people to do certain things and being dads we always can't commit to specific times to do them.  Therefore, a larger pool to choose from would make more sense, right?  Worse case, check here for "active" people to play with and use the bungie site as a backup?  Agian, I'm not sure how you would do that in-game, or if it's even possible, but that just leads back to why does all this even matter in the first place if the clan feature isn't really useful.

 

3. I don't mind doing extra work to get more dads to join here - GREAT!  if you want to brave the Bungie forums in order to do so then more power to you.  Admin rights are NOT necessary for that.  if need be, I will stop approving requests to join until I get a PM here from the person.  Likewise, if someone wants to start reaching out to existing members on Bungie and asking if they are a member here under a different name then feel free.

Just keep in mind the Dads of Destiny group has a pretty strong foothold in there already, and though we are an affiliate of them, and they don't require you to be a dad for membership, it might be slim pickings.  

 

4.  We should mirror WoT - I only mentioned them originally as they are the ONLY active clan/game i know of here that requires a "greeting" post to join.  Keep in mind, the clan structure in that game is very different from Destiny, and many WoT players use resources provided/paid for by DHO (Teamspeak), and there are size limits to the clans, and different clans for different functions, so it makes more sense to be selective there.  They also got to that point over a long period of time, over hundreds of members, and yet we are wanting a smaller group...?

We had a similar set up for Warframe when it was active, and it was a pain to mange, but there are also inherent benefits to being in a clan in that game and the number of members has a direct impact on several things in the game, so it made sense then, None of that applies to Destiny.

 

5. We want more control - This is unrealsitc for Destiny, again, due to Bungie's site. We can nudge them this way, and try to get them to see the value here, but just because they make a DHO account doesn't mean they will stay or participate, not with so many other hassle free options for dad clans. Another requirement you may not know of for WoT is a post requirement on a monthly/weekly basis.  That is why there are commanders, and directors and all that, because someone has to manage that.  And even with that, there are still people too busy to meet the requirements, and even staff who can't keep up with the policing.

 

 

So, I still think this is a non-issue at the moment.  Prove me wrong and drum up some business here on the Bungie side of things and we'll see what happens.


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 05:51 PM

OK, TL:DR version:  Is there a benefit to making the changes? What are the issue with the current set up?

 

This did come up before but nothing was changed because there were no real issues with how it was set up or benefit to changing it.  If something has changed, then we defintely should look into it, but changing things around for the sake of changing them seems pointless.  Here's why i say that:

 

1. The Bungie forums suck.  They have since our clan was created there and just looking over them again for the first time in months, nothing has changed other than the look.  There are next to no options for customization, interaction or promoting and the interface is too basic and convoluted to be beneficial to us.  This is why we have always suggested members on there to come here, where we can have all the nice toys and things.  I'm sure that post is buried though because as I mentioned, even as Admin/Founder, you can't pin/edit/delete/move posts.  All you can do as an admin is add/kick members, and change the general info, like description, clan tag, etc.

2. The clan is currently set up for members to need approval.  I get notification via a DM/mobile alert, along with the other admins, with a request to join.  I am almost always the first to see/respnd to it, and unless it is blatantly someone we don't want (XxX_N4z15ru13_420_XxX) then I approve it.  It would be too time consuming to "validate" them as a dad on bungie's site (see 1. above) and As few of these that we get, there's not really a need to add more cooks in the kitchen.  Even looking at the activity there, I see 3 new threads in October and 5 in September, when TTK released.  that is unless I'm looking at it wrong, which is totally possible based on 1. above.

3.There is no tangible benefit to someone joining "illegally."  Unlesss something has changed I am not aware of, being in the clan only adds our name to your banner, and maybe qualifies you for some group achievements.  You still can't even search for people in-game by the clan, or sort your list based on it. Other than that, it is just free advertising for us. So unless we are at a cap and not able to add more people, I don't understand the need to thin the herd.  Also, it's possible that some people might just have different names on Bungie than here, which means validating them somehow on Bungie (See 1. above).  If we are getting an influx of "bad" people then we will definitely set up a different system, but based on the volume of requests, there really is no need.

4. We need to limit access to our "official" DHO accounts. Not to say that anyone here isn't trustworthy, but we had a Global Admin run off with our established Destiny twitter account a while back, so we are more cautious as to who we give th keys to the car to these days. 

 

If anyone is looking to be more active on the Bungie site for our clan then please feel free.  Having Admin access won't help to do this.  But all contact on there really should direct people here.  Not only because we have real Admin abilities here, and can screen members if needed, but some things we can't do there, like take donations which keep the site afloat, or offer support in private sections of the forums that are for valid members.  If we see a big recruiting effort, like how a few guys do for us on the WoT forums, then that could be grounds for a Mod promotion here.  They have a similar set up there form what i understand and it works to some degree as evident by our large WoT population.

 

If there is something I am missing or that has changed to make any of the above incorrect or outdated then please let me know.  I'll bow to whatever site admins want to do, but there should be a good reason to lift it up outside of changing the Admin tag on a few Bungie accounts that doesn't even benefit us there.

 

ok, here are my answers to the points you made:
 
1.  Yes, the bungie forums suck, there is no denying that.  That is why we want to push people over to this site and one way of doing that if making sure that the only way their clan membership is approved is by making an account here first and introducing themselves.
2.  We know the validation would be time consuming, that is why we are offering to take on that screening process to not burden you.  You take care of the main course for dinner, we'll make the appetizers.  The forum activity over there is close to none like you mentioned, only because of the forums not being worth a damn (#1), but there is plenty of daily activity over on the "Group Wall" and group messages and a large majority of the people that post on those don't have an account over here.
3.  It is not so much as thining the herd as it is giving a better structure to the clan.  There is no point in having 158 clan members on the bungie site if there are only around 30 (both PS4/XBox1) over here.  True, there is no real "benefit" to being in the clan (at the moment), but we are still very early on the whole life-cycle of the game and future iterations of the game might actually incorporate more clan features.
4.  I agree with you completely!  That is why an Admin/Mod from here should definitely have full access over there as well
 
The true benefit that I see from this is to grow our community here on the DHO forums and one way of doing that is by funneling people that want to join the clan over there, over here.

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 11:32 AM

I'll add a few things here.

Yes I actively attempt to recruit. I post on Reddit and Bungie forums. I direct people to our website to sign up.

Not sure if it does any good, but whatever, I'm trying. :)

As far as what would be the point of more control over the DHO Clan on Bungie.net? How about that I want it to mean something to those of us around here who participate in the forums and signed up to be part of this group. So when we look below our name and it says "Dads HideOut" or shows DHO at the end of a game we are proud of that association.

I would like a bit of exclusivity. We aren't just some random Dads of Destiny who lets anyone and their wifes dog join our website, so why should we be that way for the "Official" Destiny clan.

Sure Bungie hasn't done anything with Clans, but that doesn't mean they wont.

But even if they don't do anything more than they have now I would rather that be an accurate representation of those of us here than just a bunch of random people.

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 11:54 AM

I'll add a few things here.

Yes I actively attempt to recruit. I post on Reddit and Bungie forums. I direct people to our website to sign up.

Not sure if it does any good, but whatever, I'm trying. :)

As far as what would be the point of more control over the DHO Clan on Bungie.net? How about that I want it to mean something to those of us around here who participate in the forums and signed up to be part of this group. So when we look below our name and it says "Dads HideOut" or shows DHO at the end of a game we are proud of that association.

I would like a bit of exclusivity. We aren't just some random Dads of Destiny who lets anyone and their wifes dog join our website, so why should we be that way for the "Official" Destiny clan.

Sure Bungie hasn't done anything with Clans, but that doesn't mean they wont.

But even if they don't do anything more than they have now I would rather that be an accurate representation of those of us here than just a bunch of random people.

Just my thoughts.

 

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 01:13 PM

I understand what you guys are saying and feeling, I assure you I do.But you are wanting to set up more stipulations and restrictions on a site that isn't ours, and really isn't designed to be managed that way, in order to get that site to mirror this one for members, even though we all agree that site isn't comparable to what we do here and doesn't add any real value.

 

Consider this, ANYONE can come here, set up an account, and never post anything. Dad, non-dad, male, female, whatever, we have no hard requirements to join here, where things actually matter.  Maybe they hang around and lurk for years, maybe they never come back again, but we don't require them to jump through any hoops in order to be a member.Doesn't make sense (to me) to make them jump through hoops somewhere else, that we don't really anticipate using, other than to funnel people here.Again, if there was a benefit or a purpose to having a screening process, other than feeling good about the lists matching, I would totally support it.But there doesn't seem to be, so I can't.If Bungie does make being in a clan useful later, then I would support it at that time as well, otherwise we are just putting the cart before the horse.

 

This isn't my call, so it's up to the site admins. 

 

The main concern here seems to be clan membership, not group membership.Group membership should remain open to anyone since we don't want to restrict any dads from playing with/representing another clan if they wish.

As for clan membership, there is one pending request to join by PeepinVoi.if you would like to test the waters and try and validate him let me know and I'll hold off on approving it.Let me know.Otherwise, the request will timeout and he just won't be able to have the clan name on his banner.

 


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